The Apparatus

Mr_Lizzad wrote:
Fuck it then, wouldn't vote for either.
I'm sooo glad I'm Irish so I can sit on the fence about this. Still, that McCain video does a helluva better job of showing his inadiquacies than the Obama one for his. Seemed to me like a bunch of low blows about his heritage and "He's not a patriot!!".

Obama calls someone who says things like "GOD DAMN AMERICA, IT SAYS THAT IN THE BIBLE" and "THE GOVERNMENT CREATED AIDS TO KILL THE ENTIRE BLACK POPULATION" his spiritual leader. I may be by myself when i say this but i think thats fucked up, not a low blow.

chazbell wrote:
honestly i don't like either one of the candidates, but i think Mccain hs more going for him than Obama does.

Neither one of the candidates has any plan to jump start the economy, Mccain wants to stay in iraq and Obama wants to increase medicade, medicare, and wellfare.

If i were running for president this is what i would do:
-Raise Taxes.
-Wellfare would only be available for those who are mentally or physically unable to work.
-Old people will have to start buying prescriptions again.
-Pull out of iraq

VOTE CHAZ

man everyone would hate me, but at least I'd get us out of 9.6 trillion dollars of debt.

that all sounds good except for the raise taxes par........but i TOTALLY agree about the welfare thing.. i've seen welfare abused WAY WAY WAY too much.

We have the freedom not to vote, exercise it! And don't let anyone tell you that you don't have a say in this country for not voting! You were born here, if you are undecided don't sell yourself short with a black and white ballet (no pun intended).

i support neither presidential candidate.

ron paul was my guy, and he got tanked early on.

i'm not voting this year, because i refuse to put my name and free choice toward someone i do not agree with.

change does not start with a new president. change starts with the people first. people should change, start caring about themselves and others, and put a positive, productive movement in their communities. folks will be happier, more contented to live their lives their own way. happiness with yourself means happiness towards others, and a better world will be created. get rid of any negative ego and don't take things so personally. treat everyone with equal amount of respect and dignity.

the government, at least at this point, can't take that away from us yet. the US government should be a last resort for taking care of its people. i don't want a 'father figure' telling me what to do. i don't need an oppressive force telling me what is good for my country, community, and my humanity.

vote coup '12.

I don't support either candidate, but I can't believe that McCain has any support. Though he did pick a hot vp. I don't buy the argument that Obama will tax us so much as to wreck the economy. The republicans know how to play on people's fears. If you don't vote for us, then the economy will be wrecked and the terrorists will win - what a bunch of bullshit.

I'm fairly left leaning, but I just can't support Obama. I don't buy into his gimmick of hope and all that. I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for, but I don't think that not-voting is an option - at least for me. I do know that II will be voting 3rd party as I have always done.

Just to add - Ron Paul is the man. I watched some of the Republican debates and he was the only one who would actually answer the question instead of dancing around it. I don't agree with everything he believes in but he's the only one who really calls it how he sees it. I want to see a Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich ticket.

richie wrote:
I want to see a Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich ticket.

and for that ticket, I would have weighed my choice extremely heavily, as both were extremely solid.

voting 3rd party isn't a bad idea. if there's one way to send a microscopic fuck you to the Rep/Dem bureaucrats, it's this one.

I just read this article - "Two-party 'charade' must end, Ron Paul says."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/paul.endorsement/index.html

I really like what Paul is doing, but I really feel like our country is fuct.

richie wrote:
I really feel like our country is fuct.

that's the unfortunate truth.

Anybody on the boards in the electorate?

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Yeah, didn't think so.

Your vote doesn't count, citizen. This is a republic; not a democracy. Quit bitching.